Ultrasound Daily Digest Thu Aug 5 00:07 Volume 5: Issue 4 Today's Topics: Annoying exponential velocity responce AVI / MPEG problems with GUS audio output DUNE2AIL & GUS Grand Piano Realism - is it attainable GUS/Windows Startup Delay GUS in August Damark Is there anything wrong with the PUPDATE.EXE file in GUSAIL10.ZIP Is this the right address? MEGA-EM FTP? ReRe:Hey you programmer types.. do this. Returned mail Spectrum analyser Ultrasound and Windows startup ? Ultrasound Daily Digest V5 #3 (3 msgs) windows delay win nt drviers os2 2.1 drivers Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Aug 93 18:00:41 EDT From: Raphael Pungin Subject: Annoying exponential velocity responce Message-ID: <9308042209.AA09628@orca.es.com> I've had the GUS for couple of weeks. I do like its sound quality more than my SB PRO. However I am disappointed in one feature of the GUS - exponential velocity responce. Although it might be good if you use GUS together with a MIDI keyboard while playing it. However standard MIDI files do not sound correctly. Some instruments are very quiet and some are really loud. Most general MIDI files are written for a linear velocity synths. All of them sound much better on my MIDI keyboard than on the GUS as far as volumes of instruments. I hope Gravis releases a new driver that would convert the velocities of MIDI files to match exponential responce of the GUS. I hate to have to use something like VMAP to convert my MIDI files which sound great on synths other than the GUS. __________________________________________________________________ / ___ ___ )( Computer Science, Univ. of Rhode Island, USA / / /__/ /__/ () iqm221@uriacc.uri.edu, pungin@cs.uri.edu, / / /\APHAEL / UNGIN )( br326@cleveland.freenet.edu _______________/ \________________________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 20:43:18 +0300 (EET DST) From: pate@clinet.fi (Pasi Haatanen) Subject: AVI / MPEG problems with GUS audio output Message-ID: <9308041743.AA26089@clinet.fi> I was wondering, if anyone has solution to the problem, occuring with MPEG animations and sound. The animation goes on smoothly, but the sound just cuts all the time. The strange thing is, that with v1.xx software, MPG animations with audio worked just fine, while all AVI animations had that "audio-cut'n'pop" problem. Now, after switching to v2.xx software and drivers, all AVI animations work just fine with clear and smooth audio/video output, but now all MPG animations with sound have that very annoying "soundcut" effect. I'm currently using 386DX/40 + 387/40, 16Mb memory, GUS, SpeedStar 24X, UltraStor 12F with 800mb hard disks, scsi qic-20 streamer and mitsumi cdrom. I think the problem is in the windows drivers, as this same thing happens on my friend's 486DX/50 with GUS, 340mb atid and Stealth 24 Hmm .. do you have any ideas or fixes for this ??? hmm ? Just wondering, if no else has discovered this "bug" ?? -- Pasi Haatanen pate@clinet.fi BBS / FAX (G.3) C.all.US for Emannankuja 4D15 Fidonet .. 2:220/610 +358-0-547-1935 *UltraSound* SF-01670 VANTAA SbcNet .. 14:1500/610 V.32Bis/V.42bis utils /files FINLAND, EUROPE! RfNet ...... 73:103/2 operating 24H/d DOS/WIN/OS-2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 19:18:49 -0700 From: Eric N. Liao Subject: DUNE2AIL & GUS Message-ID: <199308050218.AA12784@aerospace.aero.org> Never mind, I figured it out. Apparently, the SFX are handled by something other than the AIL drivers. I found out a way to eliminate the "muting" in DUNE2's music (using ULTRAMID & GUSAIL) The PUTGF1.EXE alters the cfg file so that it looks like this... B6 A8 A9 A3 A1 A6 A4 A5 00 BB Roland SCC1 for music and SFX, SBPRO for DIGITAL However, you can change it into this... B6 A8 AC A3 A1 A6 A4 A5 00 BE (This normally would be SCC1-music, PCspkr-SFX, SBPro-Digital, however instead it's GF1-music, PCspkr-SFX, GF1-digital!) Now, the digital sfx and music come out of the gravis...while some sounds come out of the PC speaker! Perhaps someone else already figured this out, but I thought I might repost since someone might have the same question. Anyway, by altering the 3rd byte, you COULD disable the PCspkr by changing AC to A0. (A0 selects NONE for sound-effects) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 93 16:39:08 -0700 From: peter@netcom.com (Peter Davies) Subject: Grand Piano Realism - is it attainable Message-ID: <9308042339.AA02653@netcom5.netcom.com> Hi, I have a specific request regarding the Gravis UltraSound card. Here goes.... the GUS Acoustic Grand Piano patch file provides us with a great sound but it is not as good as that wonderful $2500 Yamaha Electric Piano at the Music Store down the road. Why is this? Could the GUS Acoustic Grand Piano sound a lot better? I would like to understand what limits the quality of a particular sound. Is it that the original sample was poor? Is it that there are too few samples within the patch file and that each sample is required to cover a wider than optimum range of notes? Is it the patch size limit of 64kb dictated by the driver? Or is there something fundamental about the way the GUS board actually does the D-to-A transformation that will always give us "good" but not "great" sound? I notice that I am much happier with the realism if I play a gm midi solo piano file than if I "mess around" on my keyboard controller with the Acoustic Grand Piano patch loaded and get to hear a single note sustained a little longer than would be heard in a midi piano solo. It is the dissatisfaction with sustained notes that lead me to ask if the loop points could be re-done. Now there, that was the clue to show I am now out of my depth. I'd appreciate hearing any comments addressing this issue. I got the GUS to have fun. I'm having fun. regards peter@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 93 05:42:55 PDT From: deraud@power.amasd.anatcp.rockwell.com (Robert Lee DeRaud) Subject: GUS/Windows Startup Delay Message-ID: <9308041242.AA27956@power.amasd.anatcp.rockwell.com> The good news is that the delay is independent of startup sound(s). The bad news is that the driver is doing SOMETHING out in the patch directory (...\ultrasnd\midi): it's fairly obvious on my machine since the GUS stuff is the ONLY Windows-related files on the second (D:) drive and the sound of the drive is quite different from C:. There is about 4-5 seconds of D:-drive disk access during startup. As to WHAT it's doing, I'm clueless: I don't think it's actually loading patches, since I still have to do that manually regardless of MIDIMapper settings, but it might be checking the files from the ultrasnd.ini list. This would explain why you have to restart Windows to get a change in ultrasnd.ini to take effect. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1993 10:38:56 -0800 From: ASHLEY Subject: GUS in August Damark Message-ID: <01H1CET1VWRQ8WZ95M@BIIVAX.DP.BECKMAN.COM> FYI I just noticed the GUS in this months DAMARK catalogue. I'd been looking to see if it would show up since there were some noises a while back about a GUS/cd-rom package supposed to be available from them. They are selling the GUS/chuck Yeager/joystick combo, unspecified RAM amount, for $199. Not quite good enough to make it appealing over the standard package. Ashley parish daparish@biivax.dp.beckman.com .___ ! o/ ! "You're not just another electronic mechanism, Data" :Geordie LaForge | ! "Thankyou, >\ ! and you're not just another biological organism, Geordie" : Data ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 08:18:17 +0800 (SST) From: none Subject: Is there anything wrong with the PUPDATE.EXE file in GUSAIL10.ZIP Message-ID: hi When I tried to update my .pat files using the pupdate.exe file, error messages were displayed stating files not found. After running the file, all my .pat files became .pa1 files and there isn't any .pat files (updated by pupdate.exe) in my directory. Hope you could enlighten me on this subject. Thanks Directory of pupdate.exe file is d:\gus\ail\pupdate.exe Directory of .pat files is c:\ultrasnd\midi\*.pat Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 93 17:22:14 GMT From: "Bjarni R. Einarsson" Subject: Is this the right address? Message-ID: <199308041722.RAA03726@blesi.os.is> Hi yall.. I bought myself a GUS card recently.. and I want to register it. I have heard mention of an address change that caused a lot of mix-ups.. Is this the correct address? If not, then what is? Thanx.. Advanced Gravis Computer Technology Ltd. 1790 Midway Lane Bellingham, WA 98226 U.S.A. Replies by E-mail are preferred.. thanx in advance. ______________________________________________ ___________________ / \ / \ ( "Shee, you guys are so unhip its a wonder your O Bjarni R. Einarsson ) ( bums don't fall off!" -- Zaphod Beeblebrox O - - bre@os.is - - ) \______________________________________________/ \___________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 93 15:47:18 CDT From: Robert Schmanski Subject: MEGA-EM FTP? Message-ID: <9308042047.AA07628@mixcom.mixcom.com> Hi, I've heard about the "mega-em" emulator. It's a Roland MT-32 emulator for the GUS, right? I have a couple of questions: First, how does it work, second, how well does it work (ie how comaptible is it), third, who makes it and how is it distributed (commercial, shareware, freeware), and finally, if it is shareware or freeware, where can I get it (ftp possibly?) I have looked at the lists on wuarchive and have not seen it. Thanks. -- Bob Schmanski Email Adress: Robert.Schmanski@mixcom.com or: bschmans@solaria.mil.wi.us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 93 20:58:23 MST From: enigma@indirect.com (Andrew John Sherwood) Subject: ReRe:Hey you programmer types.. do this. Message-ID: <9308050358.AA26728@indirect.com> >From: Gavin > >>impster@umcc.umich.edu (Charles Budensiek) writes..... > >>Wouldn't it be neat if someone would program a spectrum analyzer thing so >>we can see a nifty graphical display whilst playing a CD via the CD audio >>input on the GUS. Windoze code would be best. :) > >I just love dreamers, but even on a fast 486DX you couldn't do it real time, it >takes a coupla seconds just to do an FFT on a .WAV file. However, dream >on,that's where the good ideas come from. Actually, you CAN do it.. Its quite simple, I did it myself, albeit for the SoundBlaster.. I made a little modification as well.. Instead of plotting in boring bars, I plot frequency on the x-axis and volume on the y-axis... its TOTALLY tripping.. especially when you get good bass.. The problems you mention about FFT on a WAV aren't problems, otherwise the 2 or 3 MOD players that do REAL spectrum analyzer wouldn't be working very well.. ;) What it is VERY difficult to so is take the sound the GUS OUTPUTS and spec.analyze it.. analyzing the INCOMING signal via digi-in/CD-in/mic-in is easy. As for source.. sorry campers, I lost it when my HD crashed a while back.. I still have the original EXE for the SB if anyone is interested. eNigma "Number 28..... The naughty bits of an ant." ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 93 02:32:41 EDT From: MAILER-DAEMON@lznj2.lincroftnj.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail Message-ID: <9308040254.aa25583@ncrhub1.NCR.COM> Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- host "hostel.lincroftnj.NCR.COM" is unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 93 11:37:20 +0200 From: rogan@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Rogan Alan Hastings Dawes) Subject: Spectrum analyser Message-ID: <9308040937.AA00406@concave.cs.wits.ac.za> I don't know if this is correct, but Mark Cox, the guy who wrote ModPlay, and various other sound programs claims to have a genuine analyser in one of his programs that I have. Naturally, the time taken would depend on the resolution of the sound, he was just playing MODs I can look up the exact text, but I think that was what he claimed. -- Rogan Dawes - University of the Witwatersrand, South Africa rogan@concave.cs.wits.ac.za ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1993 14:23:51 +0000 From: Clarke Brunt Subject: Re: Ultrasound and Windows startup ? Message-ID: <0097085B.7152B761.18128@lsl.co.uk> Two recent posts... >> I'm sure that everyone of you has noticed that if you use >> Ultrasound in Windows, it will slow the startup of Windows >> significantly... > I see no slowdown when Windoze starts up. My guess is that > you are using a Midi Mapper setup to "preload" patches for > non-patch-caching apps; if this is the case, change it to > the normal "Ultrasound" settings and see if this helps. This cannot be the reason. The MIDI Mapper setups *cannot* preload patches by themselves - they merely provide the correct mappings so that if you load the patches by some other means (e.g. using Patchman and the supplied .MID file for each setup), then every GM patch select will at least come up with a instrument vaguely similar to what was actually requested. ------------------------------ Date: Wed Aug 4 00:07:06 1993 From: Ultrasound Server Subject: Ultrasound Daily Digest V5 #3 Message-ID: <9308040624.AA22143@itchy> Ultrasound Daily Digest Wed Aug 4 00:07 Volume 5: Issue 3 Today's Topics: DUNE2AIL and Dune2 Good Recording !! GUS Price Upgrade?!? Keep it higher than up Gravis.. mail failed, returning to sender Megaem - is it worth $50 cdn? Mitsumi & CD audio thru GUS Returned mail SBOS Interrupts Space Hulk with GUS? subscribe (2 msgs) subscribve UltraSound & Windows Startup woes..... Ultrasound and Windows startup ? Ultrasound Daily Digest V5 #2 (2 msgs) unsubscribe Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 15:05:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Chung Subject: Message-ID: <199308031905.AA25641@cnj.digex.com> To the person who asked about Windoze... it writes some data to the GUS memory, all though I don't think that accounts for all of the delay. Most likely if you have Windows set up to play a startup sound, that's the cause of any delay. (Also, I know that the GUS driver reads in the patch.cfg file. It might even verify the existence of those files, I'm not sure.) An unrelated topic... I was using the SDK to program the GUS and ran into a problem with the IRQ functions used by UltraOpen(). I haven't been able to figure out why, but if the MIDI IRQ is set to 7 (the default) I would get a stack overflow when I tried to use fopen(). I changed the MIDI IRQ to 12 and the problem cleared up... ?????? ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 19:06:03 -0700 From: Eric N. Liao Subject: DUNE2AIL and Dune2 Message-ID: <199308040206.AA16362@aerospace.aero.org> I tried the Dune2AIL (newer version that uses SCC-1 & SBPRO), and it works sort of. Whenever there are some sound-effects, the music (except for the drums) cuts out. Is there any way around this? I noticed that if there is voice in the background, at the same time there is supposed to be digital sfx (shooting), the music cuts out. With SBOS, I noticed that the game would use FM for sfx, if the digital voice was not free (like "reporting....acknowledged...moving out!") ----------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Aug 93 02:03:29 -0400 From: "Robinhood -- Marshall Lai" Subject: Good Recording !! Message-ID: <9308040603.AA19331@crux2.cit.cornell.edu> I have got the GUS for a few months now but haven't had any luck in doing any serious recordings. Tonight, I used only 8-bit 22K recording of an entire Night of the Summer Side (A Japanese Animation Theme Song) off a Sony Discman with line level connecting both sides. The results is surprisingly good! Only minimal amount of noise is recorded! I can't believe what I am hearing at first, I even check to see the discman is off. But I would say that it is by far the best sound card in the low end in the recording arena!! It is even better than the one my friend sampled with a PAS 16!!!! (16-bit recording that is) Maybe that is because I am recording the entire song into memory first (Yes, I have 20MB of Ram and I am using Goldwave from Windows. One of the best uses of the Windows.) Great Work Gravis! BTW, I have a 486-DX33 EISA with OPTi chipset without any trouble using 16-bit DMA. Robinhood ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Aug 93 22:25:51 EDT From: teppana@jybox.jyu.fi (Janne Makela) Subject: GUS Price Upgrade?!? Message-ID: I planned to purchase the Ultrasound card... The price seemed very reasonable to me, so I ordered it. On a phone I was told, that all cards (I'm talking about packet which is advertised here as a 'Gravis Ultrasound Action Pack') were sold out. I made my order anyway and sat down to wait my packet to arrive. I waited and waited... and finally took a call to my dealer. And what did I heard?!? There were cards now, but the price was increased about $50! There were also a lot of 'reasons', all very dimmy. The story went something like this: "It's a whole new card, new ROMs and some other improvements. Packet also includes new (and better) software. Gravis has raised prices, so we're forced to do the same." So, WHAT IS GOING ON?!? Are these 'reasons' real or is my dealer just dreaming? If 'the whole new card' has born, what makes it worth of extra $50? Should I buy old or new version, or nothing at all? I need more information to make my decision. Please reply/mail to me as fast as possible! I will read them all (I read better than write this language :-)). -- Janne Makela (teppana@jybox.jyu.fi) ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 19:22:21 EST From: adrianr@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (adriano ennio raiola) Subject: Keep it higher than up Gravis.. Message-ID: <9308030922.2166@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU> Hi GUSheads, havent posted in a while, thought I'd say something.. There was some talk recently on c.s.i.p.soundcard about the GUS vs. Roland SCC-1 in terms of sound, and while all the people that had heard both pretty much said the SCC-1 was still miles ahead (well it IS a synth), Id just like to say the Gravis is still light years ahead of all other cards, just in case you'd forgotten :) And if you want proof, get GM_MIDI.ZIP of epas, all round probably the best collection of mids since scdemos.zip, some of those classical pieces are still mind boggling for $200. Go suck Roland, it cant be THAT much better than this.. :> Also, the xwingmids on epas sound MEGA cool too, and speaking of things MEGA, hurry Jayeson and get the thing working properly! When we can hear the actual game music in Xwing sound the same as the midi files, we're talking REAL turkey.. cyas, Adrian adrianr@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 18:11 EDT From: Subject: mail failed, returning to sender Message-ID: |------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------| accesspt.north.net!b20005 ... loop detection: maximum hop count exceeded |------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------| Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUZp-0001c7l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 18:11 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUXs-0001c7l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 18:09 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUWJ-0001dSl; Tue, 3 Aug 93 18:07 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUUQ-0001dLl; Tue, 3 Aug 93 18:05 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUS1-0001b8l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 18:03 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUPC-0001c8l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 18:00 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUMd-0001c7l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:57 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUKB-0001c7l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:55 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUHm-0001b8l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:52 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUFK-0001c7l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:50 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUCk-0001b8l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:47 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNUAD-0001c7l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:44 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNU7r-0001c7l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:42 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTqI-0001c8l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:24 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTnp-0001c8l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:21 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTlG-0001c8l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:19 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTix-0001c8l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:16 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTgN-0001c7l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:14 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTdm-0001c8l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:11 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTav-0001c8l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:08 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTYV-0001c8l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:05 EDT Received: from uunorth.uucp by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNTWE-0001c7l; Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:03 EDT Received: from dsd.es.com by uunorth.north.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0oNGIl-0001eRl; Tue, 3 Aug 93 02:56 EDT Received: from dsd.ES.COM ([130.187.85.113]) by orca.es.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03305; Tue, 3 Aug 93 01:01:34 MDT Errors-To: ultrasound-owner@dsd.es.com Received: from itchy (itchy.dsd.ES.COM) by dsd.ES.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/e&s_server-2.1/dsd) id AA04941; Tue, 3 Aug 93 01:01:24 MDT Errors-To: ultrasound-owner@dsd.es.com Received: by itchy (5.61/1.34) id AA27591; Mon, 2 Aug 93 23:58:31 -0700 Message-Id: <9308030658.AA27591@itchy> Precedence: Bulk Date: Tue Aug 3 00:45:47 1993 Errors-To: ultrasound-owner@dsd.es.com From: ultrasound-server@dsd.es.com (Ultrasound Server) Reply-To: ultrasound@dsd.es.com (Ultrasound Daily Digest) Subject: Ultrasound Daily Digest V5 #2 Apparently-To: b20005@accesspt.north.net [low-priority message, body not included] ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 10:39:21 -0230 (NDT) From: Ed Reddy Subject: Megaem - is it worth $50 cdn? Message-ID: I had a chance this weekend to give Megaem a good look over. Considering all the software offers (which is very little) besides excellent Roland Emulation, is very little for the money. A $50 cdn registration fee for the ShareWare product is required. The unregistered version only plays for 10 minutes. To get sound back requires re-loading of the Megaem software, which only gives another 10 minutes. IMHO, this software, considering it is still bugridden, and is not compatible with a variety of games, is definatly not worth $50. It is not worth $30. I would pay $15-20. Anyone else feel it is overpriced? _____ - If every man stopped thinking about war and hatred, / ### \ and started to think about Space, just imagine how ()\_____/() close a reality Star Trek would be right now.. ereddy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca & edward@dragger.ifmt.nf.ca ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Aug 93 13:57:46 GMT From: mike@batpad.org (Mike Batchelor) Subject: Mitsumi & CD audio thru GUS Message-ID: I fixed the problem, thanks to those who responded with suggestions. The problem was pilot error. I had plugged the Mitsumi card into the GUS, instead of plugging the CDROM drive itself into the GUS. Now it all works fine. -- Mike Batchelor | Windows : DESQview/X :: Solitaire : Network BlaqJaq mike@batpad.org | Mar Vista, California | This space for rent ----------------------------- Date: 3 Aug 93 03:08:22 EDT From: MAILER-DAEMON@lznj2.lincroftnj.NCR.COM Subject: Returned mail Message-ID: <9308030324.aa00097@ncrhub1.NCR.COM> Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- host "hostel.lincroftnj.NCR.COM" is unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 20:20:32 -0700 From: sol man Subject: SBOS Interrupts Message-ID: <199308040320.AA19343@scipp.ucsc.edu> How is SBOS called? Are there hardware interrupts generated by the GUS? sol ----------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 11:25:10 +1000 From: Peter.Enzerink@FINANCE.ausgovfinance.telememo.au Subject: Space Hulk with GUS? Message-ID: <102511040893*/G=Peter/S=Enzerink/O=FINANCE/PRMD=AUSGOVFINANCE/ADMD=TELEMEMO/C=AU/@MHS> A local games shop is having a bit of a special on this and from Games Byte 12 it looks pretty good. Any GUS users out there have this, and if so, how does it sound with the GUS? I've also heard there is a demo of this on the net. Any ideas where? INTERNET: Peter.Enzerink@finance.ausgovfinance.telememo.au or Pedro@act.acs.org.au X400 : /G=Peter/S=Enzerink/O=Finance/P=ausgovfinance/A=telememo/C=au SMAIL : PO Box 165, Queen Victoria Terrace, Parkes 2600, Australia ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 22:16:50 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew See Subject: subscribe Message-ID: <199308031216.AA02216@arthur.st.nepean.uws.edu.au> ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 22:22:24 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew See Subject: subscribe Message-ID: <199308031222.AA02267@arthur.st.nepean.uws.edu.au> ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 22:16:23 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew See Subject: subscribve Message-ID: <199308031216.AA02203@arthur.st.nepean.uws.edu.au> ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 19:34:22 -1000 (GMT-10:00) From: Paul Murgatroyd Subject: UltraSound & Windows Startup woes..... Message-ID: > From: int341m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr K.S. Yap) > Subject: Ultrasound and Windows startup ? > Message-ID: <9308030330.AA24330@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au> > > Greetings everyone, > I'm sure that everyone of you has noticed that if you use Ultrasound > in Windows, it will slow the startup of Windows significantly, it seems > to be loading some "pat" file during every startup, I am just wondering > if anyone knows a way to disable/speedup this process, I am sure a lot > of us would like to know. I have never noticed any sort of slow down at all while using the UltraSound with Windows 3.1. I gues sit all depends on what you actually mean by "slow-down". Do you have a Start-up sound set in the Control Panel?? If you do, that would explain the delay. Windows will cache the entire sound sample into RAM, and play it via a DMA transfer (so you can still work while a sound is playing). To prove my point, my windows startup is a 10 second 44.1Khz Stereo 8-bit sample of LSI by the Shamen. The file is approx 650K long. Windows first loads the sound file into RAM, and then plays it. If you look at the System Info via Program Manager, take not of the memory available (do this while the sound is playing). Now, a few seconds after the sound has finished playing, dot he the same thing. The memory available figure should have increased by the amount of memory your sound file consumes. The only way to stop this from happening is to disable the startup sound from the control panel. Also, I would check that you have not also added extra things like fonts sicne you installed your Ultrasound. The more fonts you have installed, the longer you will have to wait for windows to load. Hope this helps all those foljs who may have similar problems. The information above is as I know it from personal experience. I do not claim it is right, but that it is the case on my machine (486DX-50Mhz, 16Mb RAM). ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Aug 93 13:57:39 -0400 From: "Momentary language, sexual situations" Subject: Re: Ultrasound and Windows startup ? Message-ID: <9308031757.AA02751@magick.tay2.dec.com> > I'm sure that everyone of you has noticed that if you use Ultrasound > in Windows, it will slow the startup of Windows significantly, it seems > to be loading some "pat" file during every startup, I am just wondering > if anyone knows a way to disable/speedup this process, I am sure a lot > of us would like to know. > Please share with us if you know how. Thanks in advance. I see no slowdown when Windoze starts up. My guess is that you are using a Midi Mapper setup to "preload" patches for non-patch-caching apps; if this is the case, change it to the normal "Ultrasound" settings and see if this helps. Note that I DON'T use SBOS so that might also be a factor (after all SBOS "shuts off" when you start Windoze. This might take some time)... DDA ----------------------------- Date: Tue Aug 3 00:45:47 1993 From: Ultrasound Server Subject: Ultrasound Daily Digest V5 #2 Message-ID: <9308030702.AA27716@itchy> Ultrasound Daily Digest Tue Aug 3 00:45 Volume 5: Issue 2 Today's Topics: .wav (etc..) to Mac .snd converter? Hey you programmer types.. do this. I like my GUS! latest SBOS? no digest? Ultrasound and Windows startup ? using Goldwave and wav2pat Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Aug 93 9:04:42 CDT From: Jon Holt Subject: .wav (etc..) to Mac .snd converter? Message-ID: <9308021424.AA22814@camax01> Does anybody know of a sound file format converter that will convert .wav (or other common ibm sound sample files) to any of the Mac .snd formats? (Shareware or Freeware, if possible) -Jon % Jon Holt.................................Internet: holt@camax.com % CAMAX Systems, Inc.......................Phone: (612) 854-5300 % % "Now, which one was Rosencrantz?" - A friend ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 23:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: impster@umcc.umich.edu (Charles Budensiek) Subject: Hey you programmer types.. do this. Message-ID: Just another in the series of 'wouldn't it be neat if...' series. Wouldn't it be neat if someone would program a spectrum analyzer thing so we can see a nifty graphical display whilst playing a CD via the CD audio input on the GUS. Windoze code would be best. :) -- impster@umcc.umich.edu Charles.Budensiek@launcher.unc.edu ab543@leo.nmc.edu "I'm pretty cool, Beavis. But I can't change the future." - Butthead Remember Grasshopper, the path of sanity is most often ignored by the sane. ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 10:15:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Hollyman Subject: I like my GUS! Message-ID: <199308021515.AA26350@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Hi all, this is my first post here. I just wanted to say that I enjoy my GUS a lot! I am a recent switcher to pc's from Amiga and I have had no real problems even though I am pc ignorant. I had SCSI problems at first but everything has been solved from the FAQ file. Also, the GUS is a great sounding card, we have a SBpro at work and it's a joke trying to play files on that compared to the GUS. It even sounds better than the Amiga did!! I just want some more games with native GUS support!!!! Mike Hollyman ----------------------------- Date: 2 Aug 93 20:17:40 EST From: "Joseph R. Granto" Subject: latest SBOS? Message-ID: What is the latest version of SBOS, and what file(s) is it located on? I tried the .soundcard list, but have (as yet) not gotten a reply... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Granto GLOCK@chip.cba.ufl.edu "When the going gets tough, the tough get a GLOCK!" --Guns & Ammo "Don't clock'em, GLOCK'em!" --Miami Dade police officer --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Aug 93 09:14:06 -0500 From: Michael J Stumpf Subject: no digest? Message-ID: <9308021414.AA21036@tamsun.tamu.edu> I have not been receiving the u.d.digest and was curious if this is a local system problem.. will someone drop me a note if they are receiving it so I can work this out? thanks. :wq ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 13:30:22 +1000 (EST) From: int341m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr K.S. Yap) Subject: Ultrasound and Windows startup ? Message-ID: <9308030330.AA24330@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au> Greetings everyone, I'm sure that everyone of you has noticed that if you use Ultrasound in Windows, it will slow the startup of Windows significantly, it seems to be loading some "pat" file during every startup, I am just wondering if anyone knows a way to disable/speedup this process, I am sure a lot of us would like to know. Please share with us if you know how. Thanks in advance. Shan. int341m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Aug 93 13:51:25 +0100 From: zccaj19@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stefan Magdalinski) Subject: using Goldwave and wav2pat Message-ID: <9308021251.AA88128@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> I've seen several notes about using goldwave as an wave editor and then using wav2pat to convert them to patches. It does not work. I remember francois dion saying that this is because goldwave does not deal with some of the wave header data properly, so I emailed the author of goldwave with the problem Here's his reply; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This should solve the problem. Could you please forward this to the gravis mailing digest? (And maybe to some commercial companies as well! :-) ) GoldWave creates standard RIFF WAVE ".wav" files. In fact, GoldWave implements more features in the RIFF WAVE specification than some other programs do. The problem is that these other shareware and commercial programs DO NOT correctly implement the RIFF spec. Solution: To remove the extra RIFF data from GoldWave files, you can do the following: 1) Save the ".wav" file in GoldWave as usual. 2) Open the file with Sound Recorder (this program is included with Windows in the Accessories group). 3) Save the file with Sound Recorder. GoldWave includes and attempts to preserve text information found in some wave files. This information can contain important copyright notices. In the next version of GoldWave, preservation of text info will be a configurable option. For anyone who is interested, here is a clip taken from the RIFF WAVE spec: "Programs must expect (and ignore) any unknown chunks encountered, as with all RIFF forms. However, must always occur before , and both of these chunks are mandatory in a WAVE file." NOTE: It does not say that the "fmt" chunk must be first, only that it must come before the data chunk! Many programs wrongly assume that the "fmt" ckunk is always the very first chunk. Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If someone could forward this to the wav2pat author, that would be useful, and I hope this helps peas, stefan zccaj19@ucl.ac.uk ----------------------------- End of Ultrasound Daily Digest V5 #2 ************************************ To post to tomorrow's digest: To (un)subscribe or get help: To contact a human (last resort): FTP sites: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound wuarchive.wustl.edu systems/msdos/ultrasound archive.orst.edu pub/packages/gravis FTP mail server: mail-server@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de Hints: - Get the FAQ from the FTP sites or the request server. - Mail to for info about other GUS related mailing lists (UNIX, OS/2, GUS-MIDI, etc.) ----------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 10:24:25 +0930 (CST) From: Gavin Subject: Re: Ultrasound Daily Digest V5 #2 Message-ID: <930804102425.1111e@hfrd.dsto.gov.au> >impster@umcc.umich.edu (Charles Budensiek) writes..... >Wouldn't it be neat if someone would program a spectrum analyzer thing so >we can see a nifty graphical display whilst playing a CD via the CD audio >input on the GUS. Windoze code would be best. :) I just love dreamers, but even on a fast 486DX you couldn't do it real time, it takes a coupla seconds just to do an FFT on a .WAV file. However, dream on,that's where the good ideas come from. ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 12:42:52 +0300 (EET DST) From: tharme@cc.helsinki.fi (Tex A Harme) Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <9308030942.AA04400@plootu.helsinki.fi> Subject says it all. Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list. thanks. ----------------------------- End of Ultrasound Daily Digest V5 #3 ************************************ To post to tomorrow's digest: To (un)subscribe or get help: To contact a human (last resort): FTP sites: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound wuarchive.wustl.edu systems/msdos/ultrasound archive.orst.edu pub/packages/gravis FTP mail server: mail-server@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de Hints: - Get the FAQ from the FTP sites or the request server. - Mail to for info about other GUS related mailing lists (UNIX, OS/2, GUS-MIDI, etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 07:49:46 -0600 From: craigman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Craig Anderson) Subject: Re: Ultrasound Daily Digest V5 #3 Message-ID: <9308041250.AA04276@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> I've just looked at a GUS, and enjoyed it a lot. However, I have lots of questions which the salesperson was unable/unwilling to answer: I'm looking for serious sound editing/sampling capabilities and midi sequencing. I know the GUS doesn't support MIDI scripting, but it does play midi sequences, right? What is the deal with the sound source? I know the FAQ says something about the wavetables, but (as mentioned in the faq) it's still a bit confusing. The guy at the store was telling me that the 128 "polyphony" sounds (and the 30-odd percussion sounds) that the GUS has on board come from a Roland digitally sampled chip which Roland uses on one of their keyboards. Am I to understand that the GUS has these samples AND is capable of *.wav conversion as well? Is it possible to dump new digitized samples onto my harddrive and use them in a sequencing program with GUS (say, from an E-Mu card, DAT, or e-prom)? What type of MUSIC software can I get with the GUS? i.e. What, if anything, comes bundled besides professor panzar, or whatever? Has Gravis released the 16-bit stereo 44kHz upgrade yet? Anyone try it? Lastly, If you've had experience with Turtle Beach's snazzy expensive crem-de-la-motherboard, how do you think it compares with Gus? ######################## ## Craig ## A Man of Mission ## Anderson ######################## ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:36:37 +0930 (CST) From: Gavin Subject: Re: Ultrasound Daily Digest V5 #3 Message-ID: <930805103637.10356@hfrd.dsto.gov.au> >Subject: Megaem - is it worth $50 cdn? >IMHO, this software, considering it is still bugridden, and is not >compatible with a variety of games, is definatly not worth $50. It is not >worth $30. I would pay $15-20. Anyone else feel it is overpriced? I read a mesage from the author saying you should hold off registering it until the bugs are worked out, probably when version 1.0 is released. Also he is reviewing his pricing. Version 9b removes the time limitation for now. Having said all that, it's a great bit of software and he deserves to be encouraged. >From: Greg Chung >cause of any delay. (Also, I know that the GUS driver reads in the >patch.cfg file. It might even verify the existence of those files, Yes it does seem to do that , but why? And how can we stop it? This may be one for the Gravis techs to answer. Windows startup is so slow now that I'm considering having 2 sets of .ini files ie. with/without GUS. On a 'I love my GUS' note, I played 'eve of the war' from best_of.zip on my MT32 and guess what, it runs out of partials thus missing notes, but the GUS doesn't , making the GUS superior for playing complex music. IMHO the sound quality is on a par even when the MT32 isn't being overloaded. Gavin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1993 12:04:12 -0600 (CST) From: LARSEN@Meena.CC.URegina.CA Subject: windows delay Message-ID: <01H1CHXHIHZ6AJNAM7@Meena.CC.URegina.CA> The Ultrasound driver verifies the existence of every patch file. Try deleting one -- you'll get an error message. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 19:10:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Pawlo P Prawdiuk-1 Subject: win nt drviers os2 2.1 drivers Message-ID: Now I have ordered win NT when It will come I don't know. I don't know who will and will not have drivers, I however belive that if WIN NT drivers don't ship everyone is going to be very angry. Os/2 Also deserves thier drivers, yet I would hope that gravis actually has different divisions for doing the hard coding for the different platforms. As a programer myself I don't see why they have not released any drivers for OS/2 and this is disapointing because I would also like to run and OS/2 Machine in my office. And of course a GUS is my sound card of choice. Gravis. What is the hold up? You probably should get some outside help in programing some drivers, (not to say you are bad programers) But time is a wasting and you definetly don't gain customers by letting things go for so long. - praw0002@student.tc.umn.edu - - Thanks. Paul Prawdiuk - ------------------------------ End of Ultrasound Daily Digest V5 #4 ************************************ To post to tomorrow's digest: To (un)subscribe or get help: To contact a human (last resort): FTP sites: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound wuarchive.wustl.edu systems/msdos/ultrasound archive.orst.edu pub/packages/gravis FTP mail server: mail-server@nike.rz.uni-konstanz.de Hints: - Get the FAQ from the FTP sites or the request server. - Mail to for info about other GUS related mailing lists (UNIX, OS/2, GUS-MIDI, etc.)